X5R Workflow Notes

InterMurph · Apr 29, 2016

Good news Damon! Thanks for following up on the Pemiere Pro issue. I'm a software engineer, and I know how difficult it can be to get an engineering team to pay attention to an external issue.

Thanks!

damoncooper · Apr 29, 2016

InterMurph said:
Good news Damon! Thanks for following up on the Pemiere Pro issue. I'm a software engineer, and I know how difficult it can be to get an engineering team to pay attention to an external issue.

Thanks!

He's internal for me, so maybe that helped

InterMurph · Apr 29, 2016

Yes, but my boss maintains a list entitled "internal people to ignore when they ask for help on their pet projects". I'm glad you're not on that the equivalent list at Adobe!

damoncooper · Apr 29, 2016

InterMurph said:
Yes, but my boss maintains a list entitled "internal people to ignore when they ask for help on their pet projects". I'm glad you're not on that the equivalent list at Adobe!

I maintain that list for my engineers, yeah. It's mostly comprised of product managers

The Editor · Apr 29, 2016

@damoncooper - Hey Damon. Have moved this to our new dedicated X5R section.
Will migrate some of the others over in due course.

rosar · Apr 29, 2016

damoncooper said:
I got a note from the Adobe Premiere eng manager yesterday that he's now fixed the issue where the normal X5R DNGs exported from CineLight wouldn't import. (I'd sent him a plea and a sample DNG sequence from my X5R).

So once that fix ships in an Premiere update you should be able to edit the plain X5R CineLight DNGs directly in Premiere.

Good job, Damon. It would be great if every issue were fixed so fast.

Quadpilot · Apr 30, 2016

rosar said:
Good job, Damon. It would be great if every issue were fixed so fast.

Well, it's not fixed till Adobe releases an update to PP CC 2015, but thanks for getting this started, Damon.

damoncooper · Apr 30, 2016

Quadpilot said:
Well, it's not fixed till Adobe releases an update to PP CC 2015, but thanks for getting this started, Damon.

Correct. In the meantime I'm using SlmRaw on the base DNG output

Vertivue · May 20, 2016

I could not wait and bought the $45 slimRAW utility for Windows. If you check the PP CC compatibility box, the DNGs it creates come right into the current Premiere Pro CC version!

ianwood · May 25, 2016

OK. So I have a big project booked that may require an X5R. Who can tell the main steps for setting up a Mac to dump and convert files? I want to get everything into ProRes 444 or similar as quickly as possible. We will need to dump 40+ flights worth of footage captured over 4 days.

damoncooper · May 25, 2016

ianwood said:
OK. So I have a big project booked that may require an X5R. Who can tell the main steps for setting up a Mac to dump and convert files? I want to get everything into ProRes 444 or similar as quickly as possible. We will need to dump 40+ flights worth of footage captured over 4 days.

Step 1: CineLight to RAW DNG (not Premiere compatible).
Step 2: Import into Resolve and drag and drop all folders in the media pool onto a new timeline. Goto the Deliver tab.
Step 3: Export with "Individual Clips" option on, selecting your desired encoding options.

This is the fastest way to import and get to ProRes, making use of all the horsepower your machine has to muster.

ianwood · May 26, 2016

So Cinelight to ProRes is no good? Can you use a card reader or do you have to plugin the camera?

damoncooper · May 26, 2016

ianwood said:
So Cinelight to ProRes is no good? Can you use a card reader or do you have to plugin the camera?

CineLight is single threaded and horrifically slow at transcoding. Use it for DNG import only, which just makes it do the least work possible and is the fastest import option.

Resolve 12 is free, simple and has a kickass transcoding and rendering engine that rips through footage at unbelievable speeds, maximizing your HW.

ianwood · May 26, 2016

Or FCPX I assume.

How long to import using a fast Mac, 1:1? 10 minute recording takes 10 minutes to dump? Is that using the USB3 reader?

damoncooper · May 26, 2016

ianwood said:
Or FCPX I assume.

How long to import using a fast Mac, 1:1? 10 minute recording takes 10 minutes to dump? Is that using the USB3 reader?

It's about 1:1, correct.

Brendan · May 28, 2016

damoncooper said:
CineLight is single threaded and horrifically slow at transcoding. Use it for DNG import only, which just makes it do the least work possible and is the fastest import option.

Resolve 12 is free, simple and has a kickass transcoding and rendering engine that rips through footage at unbelievable speeds, maximizing your HW.

Thanks for the tip on Resolve Damon, it's so much faster to work with this footage on the same hardware! I wish Premeire Pro worked like this

ianwood · May 31, 2016

Is 25 minutes of recording per mag a good metric to go by?

damoncooper · May 31, 2016

ianwood said:
Is 25 minutes of recording per mag a good metric to go by?

That's a safe bet. You can get 30-35min pretty easily in my experience.

Nils Blix · May 31, 2016

Luis Morales said:
kinda weird they don't work on premiere, as both FCPX and Resolve have no problem with it directly.

How do you get FCP X to handle CinemaDng directly - I did not know that FCP X supported that format at all.

apsussex · Jun 1, 2016

damoncooper said:
That's a safe bet. You can get 30-35min pretty easily in my experience.

That sounds good to me. I have been pondering over x5r section for a few days now as I am almost ready to pull the trigger. I have jobs coming up which I think would benefit with the x5r and it was just the workflow which worried me, but it doesn't sound that bad really. Just need to stock up on external HDDs for storage! SlimRAW sounds very useful too.