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Does the X5R use standard 2.5" SSDs?

Doubt they could make it fully proprietary as the interface is a standard. Hopefully a teardown will reveal it simply to be an NVMe M.2 SSD and an enclosure. They could still put a hidden partition on there or something similar but then we could simply do a low level image of an empty drive and share it.
 
Doubt they could make it fully proprietary as the interface is a standard. Hopefully a teardown will reveal it simply to be an NVMe M.2 SSD and an enclosure. They could still put a hidden partition on there or something similar but then we could simply do a low level image of an empty drive and share it.

too many ways to do a work around :)
the precedence is that battery mod and Damon :D
in this forum are far too many specialists around. DJI can´t fool us and one will hack, crack or make a work around and find a way for us to have it our way which will be better in the long run. - we should be working at DJI - lol
 
Doubt they could make it fully proprietary as the interface is a standard. Hopefully a teardown will reveal it simply to be an NVMe M.2 SSD and an enclosure. They could still put a hidden partition on there or something similar but then we could simply do a low level image of an empty drive and share it.
Agreed but......be warned, there are mutterings that the X5R does a validation check on the hardware and reads the drive ROM (possibly serial number or unique identifier) thus making what we all want to do very difficult!
Nobody will know for sure what's going on until a full tear down takes place.
 
Agreed but......be warned, there are mutterings that the X5R does a validation check on the hardware and reads the drive ROM (possibly serial number or unique identifier) thus making what we all want to do very difficult!
Nobody will know for sure what's going on until a full tear down takes place.

As Steve Jobs always said that the answer "no" was not an option. there is no impossible. time will tell. - I really hope that DJI will not get through with this - that is insane. charging 3200 euros for the camera and another 1500 for 512GB SDD???? come on... oh yeah and a downloader for another 100... I do not like when they think I am stupid... - I am NOT.
 
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Doubt they could make it fully proprietary as the interface is a standard.
There are countless examples of devices that use standard components and interfaces, but with custom firmware they can still be locked. Hard drives in media players were the most common one.

DJI can totally justify it by saying that for this price you get reliability, because who would want to have a $8k machine in the air on a set and lose a shot because the cheapo hacked off the shelf SSD can't sustain the rate - the lost revenue on the first occasion it happens will exceed the price of 2 or 3 of their SSDs. Even if they're about 3x too expensive IMO nobody in the business who really has a reason to have an X5R has a reason to take the risk either.

For the record the list price for a 2.4Gbps-capable 512MB Sony AXS-A card (which incidentally has a very similar form factor, can't find info about interface though) is $2120, and the reader is $660.
Welcome to the world of pro video :)
 
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This isn't pro video. The X5R is using an SoC designed for the GoPro 4. It's brought to you by a company that still can't get its imaging algorithms right. It ain't no RED.

Real pro video mags tend to be completely proprietary. By contrast, this is using an off the shelf interface. That means as long as you can source the same components, you can use off the shelf tools to image DJI's firmware and write it to a non-DJI drive.

Finally, consumer tech has caught up with pro gear. Half a terabyte of 1.6GB/s write speeds costs $350 and can be delivered same day from Amazon. Most pro mags don't support that write speed.
 
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I suspect there is some form of FW checking, it's been done before on drives.




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Try SRMemory cards!
They can sustain read/write speeds of 5.5Gbps and cost $10k a terabyte.
The X5R is such a long way from professional gear it is embarrassing to even out it in the same room.
DJI will NEVER be able to play or compete with the big boys when it comes to imaging devices and quite frankly their offerings thus far have been abysmal.
They simply do not have the expertise in the industry.
 
There are countless examples of devices that use standard components and interfaces, but with custom firmware they can still be locked. Hard drives in media players were the most common one.

DJI can totally justify it by saying that for this price you get reliability, because who would want to have a $8k machine in the air on a set and lose a shot because the cheapo hacked off the shelf SSD can't sustain the rate - the lost revenue on the first occasion it happens will exceed the price of 2 or 3 of their SSDs. Even if they're about 3x too expensive IMO nobody in the business who really has a reason to have an X5R has a reason to take the risk either.

For the record the list price for a 2.4Gbps-capable 512MB Sony AXS-A card (which incidentally has a very similar form factor, can't find info about interface though) is $2120, and the reader is $660.
Welcome to the world of pro video :)

DJI could justify what you said if the Inspire and components would really work as advertised which they do not really... I would rather like to be able to get an SSD with same capability than buying from DJI if not necessary. Sony has always been pricey in the pro range. the SXS cards cost beyond the normal what you can get not to mention the special form factor and only usable in sony devices.
Film and broadcast equipment is expensive yes and it is sometimes justifiable but 1500 USD for a 5120 GB SSD it´ll be REALLY reliable and GOOD which it will not for all units made. there will be failures like with everything all big companies do and have done. - apple with the apple 1 had a really big down time with sales not so good looking but with a price.... apple 2 was going good and bringing the customers what they needed... DJI has to learn and do a lot more to make reliable units.
sounds a bit harsh but looking back on what we are going and went through the price tags are not really fair. at least for loyal customers there should be some discount. some of us spent over 10k on equipment... I am kind of a newbee but also spent a good amount on two Inspire 1´s and a **** load of batteries and more to come. one has to credit DJI that the unit is a good thought out piece of tech but needs work on FW, and customer service. - badly.
 
Try SRMemory cards!
They can sustain read/write speeds of 5.5Gbps and cost $10k a terabyte.
The X5R is such a long way from professional gear it is embarrassing to even out it in the same room.
DJI will NEVER be able to play or compete with the big boys when it comes to imaging devices and quite frankly their offerings thus far have been abysmal.
They simply do not have the expertise in the industry.

+1 and very TRUE. Agreed.
 
Try SRMemory cards!
They can sustain read/write speeds of 5.5Gbps and cost $10k a terabyte.
The X5R is such a long way from professional gear it is embarrassing to even out it in the same room.
DJI will NEVER be able to play or compete with the big boys when it comes to imaging devices and quite frankly their offerings thus far have been abysmal.
They simply do not have the expertise in the industry.

What about Hasselblad?

I would not be surprised if some form of Panasonic collaboration could happen as well, I wonder why a SOC from Panasonic's own stable was not used in the X5, size I guess.


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According to B&H photo.....

Is there an SSD drive included in this package? Why in "Showcased Accessories" a Crucial MX200 SSD shown as a "required item" for this camera? It doesn't look like it will even fit into the recorder.
Eugene C on Nov 16, 2015
BEST ANSWER: The SSD is not included however it will fit into the tray portion of the gimbal mount

Supposedly.... according to B&H this one fits.....Crucial MX200 500GB SATA 6 Gb/s 2.5" CT500MX200SSD1 B&H
 
Supposedly.... according to B&H this one fits.....Crucial MX200 500GB SATA 6 Gb/s 2.5" CT500MX200SSD1 B&H
That's not what it says and is obviously wrong... A "related product" could be "you might want one of those in your computer if you want to use this camera". Or just a mistake. Or just an automated thing that sees it says "SSD" in the product description, and puts some random SSD in the related products as a result.
 
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What about Hasselblad?

I would not be surprised if some form of Panasonic collaboration could happen as well, I wonder why a SOC from Panasonic's own stable was not used in the X5, size I guess.


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Without getting political I'm not sure the Japanese and Chinese like doing business together. Most business leaders are unwilling to trade across those borders.
I always thought the Hasselblad collaboration was a very strange partnership. Hassy is pretty much dead, and has been on the brink of bankruptcy more times than Joan Collins has been married.:p
They were wonderful in their day but their day is long gone and any company who still thinks that FireWire 800 is an up to date protocol to put on their products really shouldn't be in the digital imaging realm!
 
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Without getting political I'm not sure the Japanese and Chinese like doing business together. Most business leaders are unwilling to trade across those borders.
I always thought the Hasselblad collaboration was a very strange partnership. Hassy is pretty much dead, and has been on the brink of bankruptcy more times than Joan Collins has been married.:p
They were wonderful in their day but their day is long gone and any company who still thinks that FireWire 800 is an up to date protocol to put on their products really shouldn't be in the digital imaging realm!

Yea I know you rite, I just live in hope of them jumping into bed with some one rather than it taking 5 years for them to learn from the mistakes.

Hassy was an odd one, I guess there is some IP they wanted access to, it can't have been much though as some one else would have swallowed them before now.


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That's not what it says and is obviously wrong... A "related product" could be "you might want one of those in your computer if you want to use this camera". Or just a mistake. Or just an automated thing that sees it says "SSD" in the product description, and puts some random SSD in the related products as a result.

That is what it says, can you read? I understand some cant read well..... Look under the questions at the bottom of the x5r page.

Yes it is more than likely incorrect but one of B&H "Staff" is saying that drive is compatible.
 
Well firstly I couldn't guess you were talking about the Q&A section. Then

Yes it is more than likely incorrect but one of B&H "Staff" is saying that drive is compatible.
Nowhere does he say he positively refer to that particular SSD. Is there an SSD included? No. An SSD can fit in the tray portion, yes. Neither confirms nor denies which. Bad wording or intentionally cleverly crafted answer so that it's impossible to hold him wrong but can't make any use of his info, who knows.

[ ] added as what he might mean and which is correct:
Is there an SSD drive included in this package? Why in "Showcased Accessories" a Crucial MX200 SSD shown as a "required item" for this camera? It doesn't look like it will even fit into the recorder.
Eugene C on Nov 16, 2015
BEST ANSWER: The SSD [for that camera] is not included however it will fit into the tray portion of the gimbal mount.
 
Well firstly I couldn't guess you were talking about the Q&A section. Then


Nowhere does he say he positively refer to that particular SSD. Is there an SSD included? No. An SSD can fit in the tray portion, yes. Neither confirms nor denies which. Bad wording or intentionally cleverly crafted answer so that it's impossible to hold him wrong but can't make any use of his info, who knows.

[ ] added as what he might mean and which is correct:
I object....You are taking his response out of context and being argumentative. The question specifically questioned the validity of the listed ssd. Hence the showcased accessory and it being listed as one for the x5r.

This being said, it looks too wide, but I have not had the x5r in hand to check compatibility of form factor or possibility of case modifications.
 
IMHO i think either a 1" or a 1,8" ssd is the one used do to size and weight. in what and how DJI is wrapping it up is unimportant rather the question is if they will FW lock it or not. i worry about that part more. a lot of us here have 3D printers ready to if needed and we help each other to solve almost imposible or at least very hard to find out at some point but were able to tacle the tasks and solve issues DJI was not able to or did not admit... i am really eager to see Ralph doing an unboxing for us and check size and measurements as also the ssd itself on FW or file system it will use and concentrate on cloning that instead of arguing about who has said how and in which way it is to understand or not :)
i have heard or seen somewhere it was stated that it will use a 1,8" ssd for raw image saving. that was official as far as i remember. do not nail me on this one though.
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IMHO i think either a 1" or a 1,8" ssd is the one used do to size and weight. in what and how DJI is wrapping it up is unimportant rather the question is if they will FW lock it or not. i worry about that part more. a lot of us here have 3D printers ready to if needed and we help each other to solve almost imposible or at least very hard to find out at some point but were able to tacle the tasks and solve issues DJI was not able to or did not admit... i am really eager to see Ralph doing an unboxing for us and check size and measurements as also the ssd itself on FW or file system it will use and concentrate on cloning that instead of arguing about who has said how and in which way it is to understand or not :)
i have heard or seen somewhere it was stated that it will use a 1,8" ssd for raw image saving. that was official as far as i remember. do not nail me on this one though.
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Yep, lets crack it....:)

PS: It has been confirmed to use only a DJI SSD.
 
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