Initial thoughts on X5

koray birand · Jan 14, 2016

@Nick Stubbs, You explained it so well that i could not find these suitable words which would express my situation.

Nick Stubbs · Jan 14, 2016

apsussex said:
That must be frustrating. There is a chap Lynh Phan who has posted some settings for x5 inspires specifically which maybe worth trying out... Drone Owners NetworkDrone Owners Network | Gain and Expo Settings X5

Interesting. I've just set up my X5 to these specs and will try them out tomorrow morning...fingers crossed! Anyone tried them yet?

Dr. Ifly Drones · Jan 14, 2016

A very nice review and great discussion of the positives and negatives. I fly the v2 I1 and have been very interested in the new X3&5. I think they are great machines but, the advantages over the I1 are incremental. A friend of mine who is a professional photographer and videographer says that once you hit mid range equipment, the real differences in product is because of the operator and talent. I can't help but wonder what will be DJI's next big launch? Would it be an Inspire 2 or a totally new platform?

koray birand · Jan 14, 2016

Nick Stubbs said:
Interesting. I've just set up my X5 to these specs and will try them out tomorrow morning...fingers crossed! Anyone tried them yet?

Ok I tried those settings... Not working ... I am trying to flyer over a road but can not keep the craft aligned. Probably I am getting a gust, so i slightly go of course and my craft tries to compensate it but gimbal is not in-sync so it gets messy. I put on the x3 do the exact same flight.. No glitch at all.
So briefly, my feeling is that the crafts yaw compensation is not synced with gimbals yaw (I do not know the exact terms to explain my situation)

gruvpix · Jan 14, 2016

koray birand said:
Hey Gruvpix,

Just read your post.. I still feel that the yaw is not good at all. Do you thing the upgrades from november till now changed anything or am I the only one still feels like the x5 is not controllable.

thanx

I find the yaw on latest FW to be better for sure, still not at X3 levels of control but for sure improved. My main problem now is that for some reason my video sharpness settings are all completely out of whack and i can't figure out how to solve that problem.
I agree with Nick and would attribute the difficult yaw control to the level of gimbal drift that is present, not necessarily the yaw gains. Even when the craft is booted up on a level surface the gimbal is pretty much always in a constant drift, and I have noticed this when flying as well especially after coming to a stop on an arc or pan. I think once DJI addresses this problem our prayers would be answered.

koray birand · Jan 14, 2016

gruvpix said:
I find the yaw on latest FW to be better for sure, still not at X3 levels of control but for sure improved. My main problem now is that for some reason my video sharpness settings are all completely out of whack and i can't figure out how to solve that problem.

Can you share an image... For some soft is better (thats me), for others shaper is better.

gruvpix · Jan 14, 2016

koray birand said:
Can you share an image... For some soft is better (thats me), for others shaper is better.

You can refer to this thread where I have attached two images taken at the same time. One is a JPG still and one is a screen grab from 2.7k video at 0 sharpness.
Video softness blues | DJI Inspire Forum
I don't mind a soft image if it can be sharpened as needed. This image on 0 setting is too soft, adding sharpening just destroys the image at a point. Luckily we will be scaling it down to 1080p which will help so all is not lost. I would jus like some consistency instead of getting surprised by random glitches and new problems from each new FW update.

koray birand · Jan 14, 2016

gruvpix said:
You can refer to this thread where I have attached two images taken at the same time. One is a JPG still and one is a screen grab from 2.7k video at 0 sharpness.
Video softness blues | DJI Inspire Forum

I see no problem... IMO it is already too sharp. but if you wish you could still apply USM.

Attached image is from your photo at 100%.. Let is original (this is perfect) right one USM applied (way to sharp)

gruvpix · Jan 14, 2016

koray birand said:
I see no problem... IMO it is already too sharp. but if you wish you could still apply USM.

Attached image is from your photo at 100%.. Let is original (this is perfect) right one USM applied (way to sharp)

Was the edit you did applied to the photograph or the video screen grab?
I have absolutely zero issue with the photo quality and sharpness I am getting. I simply attached it as a comparison point to demonstrate that the lens is indeed calibrated perfectly and capable of producing a sharp image.
The issue was with the video files, it's tough to show everybody but if you were on my computer and pulled up the clip you would see what I mean right away.

koray birand · Jan 14, 2016

gruvpix said:
Was the edit you did applied to the photograph or the video screen grab?
I have absolutely zero issue with the photo quality and sharpness I am getting. I simply attached it as a comparison point to demonstrate that the lens is indeed calibrated perfectly and capable of producing a sharp image.
The issue was with the video files, it's tough to show everybody but if you were on my computer and pulled up the clip you would see what I mean right away.

Ok that was the photo... I think it is still ok... though u could still use some USM ... Do not forget this is motion picture do not expect it to be exactly like the photo. You have motion blur, smaller usage of sensor.. photo is 16mp video is ~10mp.. different algorithms, compression, processing power etc etc etc.. so many other factors.

gruvpix · Jan 14, 2016

koray birand said:
Ok that was the photo... I think it is still ok... though u could still use some USM ... Do not forget this is motion picture do not expect it to be exactly like the photo. You have motion blur, smaller usage of sensor.. photo is 16mp video is ~10mp.. different algorithms, compression, processing power etc etc etc.. so many other factors.

Understood, thanks for the little sample. I mainly would just like some consistency across FW updates so we know that the fixes are there, but there won't be some other random issue like the sharpness values changing every time. We work so hard to determine a shooting mode and settings to get video that works for us and it's back to square one with each new update.

koray birand · Jan 14, 2016

gruvpix said:
Understood, thanks for the little sample. I mainly would just like some consistency across FW updates so we know that the fixes are there, but there won't be some other random issue like the sharpness values changing every time. We work so hard to determine a shooting mode and settings to get video that works for us and it's back to square one with each new update.

I totally agree with you.. But DJI is a company like, when they release Inspire you wait 3 months for spare props and batteries. When they release Ronin again wait 4 months for a second battery, Release X5 and market it with osmo, and guess what

we are waiting for a stupid adapter..They really need a challenging opponent.

Nick Stubbs · Jan 15, 2016

gruvpix said:
I find the yaw on latest FW to be better for sure, still not at X3 levels of control but for sure improved. My main problem now is that for some reason my video sharpness settings are all completely out of whack and i can't figure out how to solve that problem.
I agree with Nick and would attribute the difficult yaw control to the level of gimbal drift that is present, not necessarily the yaw gains. Even when the craft is booted up on a level surface the gimbal is pretty much always in a constant drift, and I have noticed this when flying as well especially after coming to a stop on an arc or pan. I think once DJI addresses this problem our prayers would be answered.

Agreed...come on DJI!

Nick Stubbs · Jan 15, 2016

koray birand said:
Ok I tried those settings... Not working ... I am trying to flyer over a road but can not keep the craft aligned. Probably I am getting a gust, so i slightly go of course and my craft tries to compensate it but gimbal is not in-sync so it gets messy. I put on the x3 do the exact same flight.. No glitch at all.
So briefly, my feeling is that the crafts yaw compensation is not synced with gimbals yaw (I do not know the exact terms to explain my situation)

Likewise. I flew yesterday and this morning and noticed, with those settings, my Inspire was all over the place...seriously drifting after I let go of the sticks. It actually worried me to the point I thought I was having a mild flyaway...reset.